Archive for February 4th, 2006

I have to think about this

February 4, 2006

I am temporarily taking down the cartoon free speech post and the one that I put up this morning because I feel the issue needs to be readdressed. I will repost later after more thought is given to this issue.

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And the saga continues

February 4, 2006

Well, this cartoon controversy will not go away. There has been so many posts on DKos about this, you would think someone was talking about pie. (If you don’t get that reference, consider yourself lucky)

I am going to keep linking them because I want them for my own records and because there is some good conversations going on in them. If this issue bores you, I will post about something else tomorrow. But for now I will continue this saga.

Muslim Cartoon Stirs No Laughs or Riots from Christians. Which contains the Aljazeera response of this cartoon:

Incidently, this breaks with the Muslim idea that no religious figures should be depicted.

Bush sides with Muslims against Europe, loves religion more than freedom.

The Mohammed Cartoons and Freedom of the Press (with Poll)

120,000 dead

Danish Press and what they proved.

And from the European Tribune (an off shoot of Booman, which has some crossposts from DKos, so I left those already linked out, though if you are interested, you might read the comments there):

Blasphemy overflow thread

From the news:

Fury over Prophet cartoons, calls for restraint

But in an interview with La Repubblica daily, European Justice Commissioner Franco Frattini said it was not for the European Union to apologise.

“No, it’s not Europe’s duty, nor do I think it is the duty of (Danish) Prime Minister Rasmussen. We don’t have the power to apologise in the name of the press. That would be violating the basis of freedom of the press. If they feel it is right, it is up to the editors and the authors of the cartoons to apologise to those who feel offended,” he said.

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The United States also stepped into the row.

“These cartoons are indeed offensive to the belief of Muslims,” State Department spokesman Kurtis Cooper said. “We all fully recognise and respect freedom of the press and expression, but it must be coupled with press responsibility. Inciting religious or ethnic hatreds in this manner is not acceptable.”

The U.S. response contrasted with European governments, which have tended to acknowledge tension between free speech and respect for religion but have generally accepted papers’ rights to print the cartoons.

Embassies burn in cartoon protest

On Saturday, hundreds hurled stones and stormed the Danish site, before moving to the nearby Norwegian embassy.

“With our blood and souls we defend you, O Prophet of God,” they chanted outside the Danish mission.

Some removed the Danish flag and replaced it with another reading: “There is no god but God and Muhammad is the messenger of God.”

So I’m supposed to feel bad for offending a bunch of religious freaks that would stone me to death for not believing their view of god? I think what we are seeing is the true side of Islam; one that is as devoted and dangerous as Christianity in the US. Its shit like this that reinforces my beliefs that religion is crap and a tool to control the masses. In addition, if pictures of your diety, even if done in poor taste, lead you to call for the deaths of people, then you are my enemy and you will not be tolerated. As I said in another post, this is not about “free speech”, this is about reactions. And the reactions in the Muslim world right now are supporting the negative stereotypes of them. They don’t riot like this against terrorism, they don’t riot like this when their own governments stone women, nor do they riot like this in protest of their monarchies. But fuck with their god, and all hell breaks loose.

And I stand by my comment that if they really want to unite with the west, this has to be a two way street. Many of us stand against imprisoning Muslims without due cause. We stood in unity with them after 9/11 in their defense when many people wanted to round them up. And though they may feel the US is an aggressor in their lands (which is true), they are also against our freedom of speech, which puts them in direct conflict with the Constitution. I am mad as hell that Bush supports them over our own freedoms, which he loves to pull out when ever he feels like it helps him score political points. I need to drop by some rightwing sites and see how they feel about that. Should be interesting.

And don’t give me the “this is only the fundies” crap. I have been reading about this and it is way beyond just a few protesters. This is becoming an all encompassing cultural clash, one that shows what is at the heart of two opposing ideas. Islam does not allow for dissent, any more then Christianity does. For those of us who want a world free of religious suppression, this episode gives us insight into what the Muslm community thinks about our ability to express ourselves.

I have not written criticism about Islam on this sight up till now out of respect for their culture because of US aggression. I have on the other hand done this repeatedly concerning Christians and Jews. Well, its time to take the gloves off. Religion and government should never be mixed. Ever.